Episode 2: Filling Good with Megan from The Good Fill

Megan Gill, Nashville’s first Zero Waste, Package Free Refill Store owner talks to us about her zero waste journey and why she started an ethical and sustainable Zero Waste store in Tennessee.  

Episode 2: Filling Good with Megan from The Good Fill

Nashville’s first zero waste, package free refill store owner, Megan Gill, talks to us about her zero waste journey.  She moved back to the States from Costa Rica where she taught women who had been sex traffic victims how to become beauticians.

Lightly Edited Transcript:

Maris: So hey, hey guys. This is Zero Waste Trash Talk. I’m Maris Masellis with Jess Johnson and Michael Britt. We have a very special guest here today. Her name is Megan Gill the owner and operator of the The Good Fill, Nashville’s First Zero Waste Package Free Refill Store. Welcome Megan.

Megan Gill:Hi. Oh, happy to be here. Yay.

Maris Masellis: How did you get into zero waste?

Megan Gill: I was living in Costa Rica. I’ve been a hairstylist for 13 something years. I love doing hair but I always felt like there wasn’t enough of a reason that I was doing it. I needed more of a purpose than just

making people look good when they left. So I started working with organizations who were helping people come out of trafficking and doing some volunteer work, and then that led me to Costa Rica. And I wanted to with a good friend of mine who’s also a hairstylist wanted to teach girls who had come out of trafficking, how to do hair. So it’s kind of a way out of forced prostitution, which is a very heavy subjects. Yeah. It’s real. It’s very real, and it’s very sad. My time living in Costa Rica was was over the course of about two years, I was back and forth between Costa Rica. We sent some people to school, and it was really amazing. And those people are now doing hair and they’re successful and it’s really amazing.

Maris: Did you stay in contact with them?

Megan: I did. Yeah, we still do. Costa Rica is great. But I knew that it wasn’t really something that would translate in the states and my husband and I moved back and we had a baby. And just in that process of the culture of reverse culture shock of moving back to the states and just seeing consumerism the way that it is in the states versus other countries, and how our culture impacts other people in the world.  They’re, they’re watching us, because we’re the ones with all the movies and yeah, so the way that we live really speaks so much volume to other people. And yeah, we’re a throwaway society if you just watch Hollywood. People are wearing different clothes every time you see them. That’s just like you’re constantly changing fashion. So the idea is always like, get more get better. And in the process of that you’re going to waste a lot of materials and stuff. And so I wanted to find a way that would teach people everyday people how to your actions to impact people in the world. Whether you’re buying something that is made by someone who’s not getting paid enough or you’re buying something from someone who is working In a factory, when you know better, you should be the one that tries to do better. So yes, it was just that I couldn’t avoid it anymore. And the combination of making so much trash as a hairstylist, and oh, there’s just  so many things. 

Maris Masellis: It was a poof and then the Good Fill was here?

Megan Gill: Yeah, I wish it was that easy. But it was a combination of so many frustrations. And that was just one avenue as a hairstylist, seeing that all of the plastic packaging and everyday products you use, and then just being aware of what I was using, I mean, that’s pretty typical for what everybody goes through when they start realizing, oh my gosh, my trash can doesn’t go just away. It goes somewhere. And it’s also coming from somewhere. So wanting to cut out some processes and originally I had all these other ideas, but they didn’t really bridge gaps for people. They didn’t meet people where they were. So the idea for the shop was to have a refill shop where you have containers or people can bring in their own containers, and they can refill everything that you need on a daily basis. So all the basics, I didn’t want to encourage too much consumerism, so we don’t need like 5 million face creams, you know, kind of the mentality that we already entertain on a daily basis. I just wanted to offer the basics with products that really worked for people. So non toxic products, plant based ingredients, sustainable ingredients, in a way that people could refill their containers.

Michael Britt: (The Good Fill) Looks like the Apple Store of zero waste.

Megan Gill: Yeah, except for not but it’s, it is. It is very beautiful. I do I do love it because it’s just basically plants and…

Jess Johnson: How did you come up with the design concept of was that all of your idea?

Megan Gill: It’s kind of my taste just plain wood, no, yeah, nothing fancy and just plants. I mean, I feel like it’s also very popular right now. It is so..

Maris Masellis: All the green everywhere. Wait, how long is this store been open?

Megan Gill: Since July 10 (2019)

Maris Masellis: Wow. Yeah, I didn’t realize it was like everything just kind of happened like the… Zero Waste Trash Talk and The Good Fill at the same time. I started hearing about the store like yeah, what is that?

Jess Johnson: You had pop up stools or something yeah, right cuz that’s how I heard a few people were talking about this pop up or no they were talking about the Good Fill and then so I would Google where the Good Fill was and then it was like in a clothing store. What the hell is this? And then but then you weren’t really there. I didn’t understand. And then all of a sudden, there it was, you had a store.

Megan Gill: Basically we did pop ups for a year I had no idea it was going to be successful and people just kept coming and then the next month would go by and we would have another one and more people came and we were in the space and I thought I’ll be in here by myself for a year and no one will know about us and the first day we opened July 10, News Channel Five, I think showed up and I didn’t have labels on any of the bottles. I thought no one’s coming in today. No one even knows I’m here. And we were slammed the entire day

Jess Johnson: You ran out of a whole bunch of stuff, right?

Megan Gill: Oh, yeah, I have been running out since we open. We’ve finally just got an inventory system that actually is catching up. Yeah.

Maris Masellis: What do you run out of the most?

Megan Gill: Hand soap and dish soap

Maris Masellis: What about toothpaste tablets. I always run out of those

Megan Gill: Yeah, we have run out of those few times.

Maris Masellis: How do you go through and like pick what you want in the store.

Megan Gill: So well, I have really high standards. And so I’m looking for products that are made as close to Nashville as possible. So there’s less shipping miles, I’m looking for products that can come in bulk and products that we can expand to selling in larger quantities at a time. So Just there’s a lot of research

Michael Britt: And you go pick things up yourself a lot of times

Megan Gill: Yeah, sometimes we do. Um, we were working on picking up 35 to 55 gallon drums from a company that’s a couple hours away. So we would be doing…

Michael Britt: You and your bulky girls

Megan Gill: Yeah, me and my arms and these tiny women. Yeah, so the idea would be eventually moved to some kind of massive refill system.

Maris Masellis: Well, your dedication is encouraging truely. Yeah, we’re big fans. We’re big. We’re girl fans. Michael is a girl fan, a big one. He’s like you tell her we’re all in love with her when she comes in!

Megan Gill: That’s amazing. That’s so good to hear. I had the worst day. I was like other people are gonna open businesses like mine and it’s just gonna crash. I’m not gonna…

Michael Britt: Here’s what we’ve been talking about. We just came from a meeting about our takeout container business and people will get a hold of our ideas if we put them out there and we’re like, well, that’s a win because our real goal is to change the world. That’s your goal. Yeah. So it’s like, oh, my business closed, but the world is doing things differently.

Megan Gill: So true.

Maris Masellis: The intent is the most important. Yeah, we’re realizing that again, is you’re trying to put a business model together. You got real world stuff to make money. Yeah, survive. But truly, in the back of our minds, we all started this because we give a shit.

Megan Gill: Oh, heck yeah!

Maris Masellis: That’s the reason we did it. That’s why it’s reason why we do this now. So these conversations are, you know, explicitly to show people that we we want you to have that information, we want you to connect you to the resources that you need, and be around and hear things that you wouldn’t normally think about.

Jess Johnson: So I remember going on to see your website and you had listed all this information about the products that you have, (saying stuff like), in my opinion, you know, it can be composted if you do it this way, like you used everything and you were telling us everything and then I think you even I think that was you, you listed how we could stop our junk mail from coming. It was just like a lot of information. I saw that and I was like, This is amazing. Yes, she’s knows what she’s doing and like, I get her and she gets us so I’m gonna go to the store. Was that you?

Megan Gill: Yeah I tried a lot of things when we first started, I was like, I’m gonna blog about everything you could possibly know about. This just really not possible. I was basically working three peoples, no, probably 10 people’s jobs, when we first opened and, of course, you know, when you try to do a million things, yeah, at one time, none of them are great. So, yeah, just gonna stick to the refills

Michael Britt: Well, and also with their mail in (refill packages), and just like a lot of the behind the scenes stuff, you have packaging that that degrades after three days or something like that. It starts breaking down, right? That’s crazy.

Megan Gill: There’s a couple of things like that in the shop. And I mean, even things that we do right now. So for listeners who don’t know we also do refills online. Customers who don’t live in Nashville or even if they do live in Nashville, but they can’t come to the shop, if they order a refill online, it comes in a plastic pouch. It’s a BPA free pouch, which we can talk about that later. It can be washed, reused, and then sent back to us and we refill it for the next customer. And that product idea or that refill system is not perfect. It’s just a step in the right direction. So we have a few ideas of a different kind of material we want to use and have pouch custom made, so that we can actually continue to do this in a more sustainable process continuing to move forward because not every process is going to be perfect. You’re not always going to find products from manufacturers that don’t create waste. Also, a lot of times corporations are saying oh people finally care about this now and we knew that BPA was bad. But I guess we have to, you know, change our system. Yeah. Now, people are talking about this, but I’m trying to do things the other way around, right? Get a head of the system and change the way that people are thinking before they shop. Yeah,

Michael Britt: Yup. Well even down to like when you do the terracycle stuff, right, the stickers you peel off of people’s containers you send to terracycle which is a recycling which, which means Megan pays for the recycling

Megan Gill: We terraacycle everything

Jess Johnson: On your wall. You’ve got that the number system where you’re counting? Yeah, how many plastic bottles are out of landfill? Yeah, how do you count that?

Megan Gill: So our system keeps track of everything we’ve sold. So it’s every single refill, we do so even if you’re buying a sample of something that’s a sample of a product you would have bought. So maybe a small bottle but most of the time people are purchasing about 16 ounces of product eight to 16 ounces. So that would be the typical bottle size. But then even still, if you’re buying toothpaste tablets versus a toothpaste tube, that’s another container. Yeah. The other products like the compostable wooden dish brushes, the loofas, all of the other items that we sell that replace wasteful items. Yeah, I mean, those are those things we don’t even count to really someday we should convert it to pounds because I think it would show you an even larger impact

Jess Johnson: What is the number right now?

Megan Gill: It’s around 17,000. 17,000 bottles just you mostly mostly since July.

Jess Johnson: Wow. That’s amazing.

Michael Britt: That’s great. Yeah, talking about bottles, I remember one time I wanted a bigger aluminum bottle for for the shower for shampoo or something and you weren’t able to get one that didn’t have a BPA coating or you weren’t sure of it. Right. So I could only get the little bottles. And that’s when I was kind of like oh wow, you have gone down the rabbit hole with all of this

Megan Gill: I really have. I mean, I have talked to the manufacturers…

Jess Johnson: Are they are open to talking to you or do you have to fight to to I have to fight to talk to them?

Megan Gill: I have to fight. Usually they’ve sent me manufacturers have sent me the documents that they get from the chemical manufacturers and usually the company that’s making the plastic, they don’t even know what’s in the plastic. So if you’re looking at a plastics company, a lot of times even when they’re putting a coating on something, they’re just told this is FDA approved or whatever for food and so we’re allowed to use it.

Michael Britt: I’m sure you’ve seen the what is it called The Devil You Know? Have you seen that documentary about Dupont? It’s terrifying, basically, the Teflon coating is in every one of us.

Megan Gill: Oh yes, the PFOA

Michael Britt: Yeah. Well, and then changing one molecule and making it PFOS and then and then it’s just like, oh, it’s fine now. No, it’s not fine!

Megan Gill: So as what I know of BPS, I have not done enough research. But BPS would be considered better. And I’m going to circle back in a second. But BPS apparently doesn’t leach as easily as BPA does. So. And again, I’ve talked to so many plastics manufacturers who do not even know what BPS or BPF is, because BPF is another replacement. I’m pretty sure I’m not scientist.

Jess Johnson: It’s not the same as BPS

Megan Gill: Not the same, but a similar type. So like he was saying, you change, you change a chemical slightly to make it not have the same name. And maybe you remove some of those properties, but who knows at this point, it’s a newer chemical. Yeah, but who knows what the trade off is

Jess Johnson: That’s exactly what happened with the Teflon, the PFAS, or whatever? yeah

Megan Gill: Yeah. So it’s really, it’s really confusing and shady, right. And companies should be doing the research on the front end, not the back end, not after you’ve been using the products

Maris Masellis: Like that’s basically how it’s always been. It’s like, Oh, well, only 600 people got affected by this. We’re gonna wait till it’s a billion, right? And then we’ll outlaw it.

Megan Gill: Because the tests show that they’re mostly safe again, it’s how you’re using it. Like, if you’re using a low density polyethylene bottle and it’s never heated, it should not let go of any of the chemicals but you don’t know what happened to that water bottle on its way to you from Canada. In a hot truck. You don’t really know what your standards were for the packaging and and so yeah, maybe the virgin plastic itself before it was actually turned into a bottle was actually fine. Well, but it’s the whole process like they were saying. I think it was antimony that was being leached from plastic water bottles. It was like a… I think that was a recent study that came out but you know, don’t take my word for it. Do your research because you are Are your best protector.

Michael Britt: But this is when you go back to all of this stuff. It’s like, this is okay for you in small amounts, right? Like when every single thing is packaged in that and everything we eat has a small amount of pesticide a small amount of chemicals. Suddenly we’re ingesting and taking a lot of that. I read an article about how many chemicals are in an average woman’s beauty routine? Oh, yeah. And it was something like 239 or something daily that you’re putting on your skin every morning? Right yeah, and that’s just insane and and but while we’re talking about doing your research Yeah, I think you and I talked and you may have told me about the book the plastic free life, the one I read about all the plastic – Life Without Plastic. That’s full of a lot of good information. If you want to know what plastics, what chemicals, all of that. That’s where you look it up and they actually have a store.

Megan Gill: Yeah, she she’s done a lot of research and then based her store on all of the research he had originally done

Jess Johnson: How do you how do you describe your store to somebody, somebody who doesn’t really know what it is? Because I imagine there’s a lot of people out there who, okay, maybe maybe they can understand that you can refill your shampoos there, you know, might not recognize that you could actually even buy a dish dish sponge, right? Or like, like so what uh, how do you describe your store? And I guess also like, what are some of the things that you think that people don’t realize you sell?

Megan Gill: Um, yeah, so actually, it’s kind of one of my favorite things to do is just dumbing down the whole message. Not dumbing it down, but really it’s such a complicated subject. Sometimes people don’t even understand why they would want to reduce their trash. So I’m just telling people who just walk through that area because we have, you know high traffic during the weekends? A lot of tourists, people walk in and they’ll say what is this and we say we help people reduce their trash at home. And so you can come in and fill up your own containers or you can fill up one of ours, so that you’re not continually throwing away bottles. And then we sell other items that help you reduce trash in your everyday life. And usually, people are really intrigued. Yeah, and they want to know more. And so we’ll kind of go through and describe some of the different products to them. Some of the easiest ones are like a bamboo toothbrush, it’s compostable, you can put it in the ground, a reusable razor that’s something you can literally use forever. Those two things right there cut out so much plastic. Yes. And and it just kind of gets people started. So then then next, like in a couple of weeks when they’re realizing they need to get rid of their paper towels, and they’re trying, you know, probably googling or looking on our site paper towel replacement or something like that. So yeah, it’s I think it’s not overwhelming people when we first talked about it, but just kind of pointing them in the direction of everybody uses a toothbrush, hopefully. Yeah. So there’s one thing you know, if you really don’t even understand why, when, and just like, yeah, even explaining like, plastic stays around from 400 to 1000 years to forever. And so we’re trying to reduce the effects of plastic on the planet.

Jess Johnson: That’s I’d love to I mean, I can’t do math, really. But at some point, I would like to take the numbers that you have on your wall and like calculate, like, every single one of those pieces, like plastic containers could take between 400 to 1000 years. So that’s whatever number right you said 17 whatever. Like that’s so many years worth of like, you know, like methane gases and whatnot that I’ve been, like, taken away from the atmosphere

Michael Britt: And can you imagine here’s something I’ve been thinking about lately because it just struck me was: Can you imagine if we were dealing with the disposable products from the Vikings?

Michael Britt: You brought up the razors. That’s one of mine that was the first thing that clicked for me several years ago, I was like, Okay, I don’t want to pay $17 for three plastic Gillette razor cartridges so I switched to a safety razor, right? I bought razors in bulk, like 500 of them, but it’s top of the line Platinum razor blades. They came to nine cents each, right and I have a double sided razor. I flip it over. Yeah, I get a couple shaves off each side. It’s like the tooth tablet or well, it’s less like two cents to shave right thing, right? And so every time people say that I can’t afford to spend money on stuff like that. I think it would probably will work out and break even when you factor a lifetime of usage?

Megan Gill: Yeah. Or they’re already actually spending a lot more on the disposable option, right? For instance, like menstrual pads. And if you buy a pack of menstrual pads, it might cost like for your full cycle. It might cost you $100 to invest in those pads but you’re spending more than that in a year on disposable so those pads are gonna last you

Maris Masellis: I am such a happier person knowing that I don’t have to buy those anymore. Like it has changed my life completely guys

Megan Gill: I don’t have to send my husband to the store in the middle of the night…

Maris Masellis: Come and see Megan at the store if you have questions I feel like that was an awkward situation for me at first it was at our like first event I think I overheard you talking to someone else and I was like, what are you guys talking about? But yeah, there’s some things out there that I think a lot of people don’t know about that are so exciting. And you’ve got them at the store Fatherland, street What’s the address?

Megan Gill: 1006 Fatherland Street suite 303 and we might not be there for that long but go follow us on Instagram @thegoodfill

Michael Britt: Because you need to grow?

Megan Gill: Yes, yeah, we need to grow where we want to order our products in larger drums, refillable drums. And so in order to do that, we would need a lot more backroom can’t wait to have an industrial washing machine. The the bottle design we just started working on will be like for our actual refill pouches, which is our biggest thing we’re cleaning is the online patches. It’s freaking exciting! That would be something we could wash in a machine would be silicone or something. Yeah, that would be, you know, fully non toxic.

Michael Britt: I don’t know if you’ve seen these yet. But in restaurant research I’ve come across, there’s a new type of dishwasher that does something with electricity. So you don’t have to use soap. You’re not producing. It’s cleaning things with electricity through the water. I’ll look up that link and send it to you

Maris Masellis: That’s very fascinating Michael Britt.

Michael Britt: Yeah, I just drink coffee and look up stuff

Megan Gill: I do do. It’s really bad. I’m like, No, we can do this. And everyone’s like Megan, just take it a couple steps back and…

Maris Masellis: You guys need to hang out more

Jess Johnson: I don’t think they do. I think that we have enough. We’re good with Michael

Maris Masellis: This has been so much fun. This has been awesome we really appreciate you coming

Megan Gill: I’m really ADD and I’m sure I went in like a million different directions but…

Maris Masellis: No, we were spot on man. We talked about everything we needed to talk about..

A few weeks later…

Maris Masellis: Okay, we might have thought we talked about everything. But then everything changed. So that first part you just heard was before the tornado and pandemic started, Michael and I decided to keep the conversation going with Megan. We’re doing it from our homes, of course. So we wanted to get you all back up to speed. Can we start by reminiscing about our pre COVID lives hanging out at the robot Tiki Bar. When we last saw you, we were hanging out over on the East side. We were having drinks over at, what was that a place called Michael

Michael Britt: Chopper Tiki is the awesome robot tiki bar

Maris Masellis: Chopper Tiki, which was my first time I had Tiger’s milk, I believe Tigers milk non alcoholic style, which is still amazing and delicious. I recommend it.

Megan Gill: That was right before everybody knew about Tiger King

Michael Britt: That’s true. The world has really changed. So yeah, we’re having those drinks. We’re relaxing. We learned some stuff that we didn’t bring out in the interview. Because we weren’t super experienced interviewers yet, and we still aren’t. But there are some things that we wanted to talk about and then, you know, the tornado hit. Yeah. And your shop was in ground zero.There were like not only trees and stuff in the street around you, but there’s like a church steeple blocking the road

Megan Gill: Yeah, we were like, I mean, probably a block and a half over from one point then it literally cut over onto Fatherland, like we could see the damage from in front of us and then to the right of us, which was really, really crazy. And I mean, you only had to walk two blocks to just see people’s homes and businesses just gone. Pretty sad day. Yeah, it was really awful.

Maris Masellis: Fatherland Street. You guys are located right in the middle of a really cool spot too, Fatherland, Street has all these different stores right around you guys and you You are very unique because The Good Fill is a package free refill store. Yeah. Which Michael and I frequent very often.

Megan Gill: Yeah. So we, there are actually a lot of unique businesses in that area, which is really awesome. I think a lot of people were just beginning to think about how to recover after the tornado. And as soon as that happened, then, you know, quarantine happened.

Maris Masellis: Yeah. So where are you at? Let’s regroup. Like what what happened? The big changes?

Megan Gill: Um, well, I we had we were really busy and we were starting to get a lot busier and I was really kind of shocked because it’s the beginning of the year it’s after Christmas and we’re getting more customers than we’ve ever had. So when the tornado hit I actually I heard someone say or saw someone say, on a thread maybe on Facebook, that it had crossed into five points and that the Fatherland shops were gone. And I just thought, oh my god, I literally don’t have a business anymore. And I’m pretty sure that the insurance plan I have does not cover this kind of thing. I mean, I just didn’t even think I was at the time when I got my insurance policy. I was like, I just make it as cheap as possible. Nothing really is gonna happen if a break in happens. They’ll take some cash whenever, you know.

Maris Masellis: So business was booming you were having we’re having the time your life, them boom!

Megan Gill: I just thought everything was over and it felt like it was over at first because I didn’t really imagine our shop would even have power for the next three or four weeks. Yeah, but we got a generator and we worked without power a lot of days and and then we tried to help in the neighborhood as much as possible so…

Michael Britt: That’s one of things I want to talk about because I saw that you posted the 615 Waffle people were organizing relief

Megan Gill: Actually was my neighbors and I just kind of followed along. I felt like helpless especially as a zero waste company. It was kind of hard to imagine giving people a bunch of package free stuff. But but we ended up figuring it out and just kind of improvised and gave a lot of dish soap out and you know, refillable containers that had you know, info with how to refill it once they were ready to refill it. And we gave out shampoo bars and some other like personal care items and things like that. so…

Michael Britt: Yeah, you had no idea what was going on with your business. You had no power yet. And then here we all are out in a community center parking lot pumping expensive stuff into expensive bottles, that you weren’t even concerned about. At that point in time, you didn’t have anybody saying, Hey, we’re gonna chip in for this. You were just saying “I want to help”.

Megan Gill: Well, what’s so great, it was our best month so it didn’t really feel I mean, I kind of wish it felt like a big sacrifice but actually didn’t. Um, it was actually really easy to do because we felt so blessed and I honestly was just so glad to be alive because we live just north of Nashville, like North East so (the tornado) missed my house and missed my shop. And so yeah, we just felt really lucky. And I felt like what I did wasn’t good enough, but, but I am glad I got to do what I did.

Michael Britt: I think all of us felt like, you know, we felt, first of all, it felt like we were all on our own that first week. I didn’t feel like there was any outside help. It was all just internal, everyone helping each other. And I don’t even think people realize, you know, because later as the Coronavirus hits, you know, toilet paper, hand wipes sanitizer, all of that all that was already gone because of the tornado. We’d already cleaned the stores out for tornado relief donations. And that’s why when you started offering the hand sanitizer, it was a lifesaver for me. We don’t keep bleach in the house. We don’t have hand sanitizers. I had an old package of the Clorox wipes that was all dried up because our builder gave it to us when we bought our house five years ago in a welcome kit. That’s the only COVID cleaning products I had in my house. And so when you offered this hand sanitizer, I was there. I rode up on my bike right away. That’s when we could still order online and pick up from the store right

Maris Masellis: From then on out you know you guys were with a tornado that was crazy and I’m really glad I’m really glad that your store is okay and everything was okay at home and I was one of those other fortunate people Michael too you know we were really lucky

Megan Gill: You and I ran into each other that morning. I was trying to figure out if the shop was still standing.

Maris Masellis: Yes, that’s right

Megan Gill: We couldn’t find a way in because all of the roads are blocked by trees or parts of people’s homes or businesses I mean yeah, that’s really literally could not find it figure out a way to get to the shop. And it took us two hours. I live seven minutes away. It took us two hours to get there. We found a place to walk but we had to walk under all of these fallen trees

Michael Britt: And power lines…

Maris Masellis: Yeah, I mean, I took off down there as soon as I heard what happened cuz I didn’t even wake up during the night but I ran down there. I saw Megan that morning. Yeah, it was. It was a pretty surreal day for me. I think that’s I mean looking back on it now I mean I’m I’m thankful that your store is still up and running because it’s so important for people to have a package free refills store. You’re the first one in Nashville.

Michael Britt: and and an essential business for all of us who are reliant on this and have changed our habits

Megan Gill: I wish that we could have moved into a larger space as an essential business because this has been hard to be closed. But we have been able to do like pickups and online. Thank god that we had all of our online stuff already set up. We were already doing online refills so we just switched everything over to online. Which is a major shift for businesses who don’t already have an online store.

Michael Britt: Yeah, it’s not every businesses owner dropping shaving cream in their customers mail boxes. You’re out there doing deliveries, right? You’re out there personally doing the deliveries.

Megan Gill: I’m not doing deliveries anymore. I did start off doing deliveries. But actually the girl who was babysitting for me, she’s really amazing. And she switched over to that, that way we could keep her on. But you know, we didn’t want anybody else in the house. And it was scary to begin with, like, you felt like you couldn’t be around any other person. Yeah. And you were told not to be around any other person. So we just went to the extreme and Yeah,

Maris Masellis: You did what you had to do, especially for the safety of your of your staff and everything, right. But um, yeah, you’re still doing the delivery stuff? When are you planning on looking for a new place. Are you gonna wait until you move to start having people back in the store again? Or is there like an agenda for that?

Megan Gill: We still haven’t solidified a space yet. So we will have to open up (to the public) in the next week or two. But, yeah, I mean, who knows what’s going to happen? And we could end up closing again in the fall if things get crazy again, so we’re just going to take it one week at a time. We’re in Phase one. I mean, technically, we’re an essential business. So we could have been open the whole time. One of the girls lives with her mom. And you know, we just none of us wanted to get sick and have to shut the shop down for a month. So and we actually had a lot of people lining up out the door on on the last days before people knew that they were going to be quarantined, and I was just thinking this is the worst possible thing that you could be doing right now.

Maris Masellis: Oh, gosh yeah.

Maris Masellis: So what do you think about this? This is pretty cool. Right? We’re podcasting from home right now. So I feel like I need to shake out the jitters. Like, I’m still kind of, I’m still kind of like, yeah, just shake them out. Like sorry. Sorry, guys. We’re still getting warmed up with this. But forgive us. We’re trying to get our groove here. And I think I think it’s important to know, like we we were on a whole different planet before this before the tornado and the pandemic hit. And so we’re just kind of recapping and going through, you know, specifically like we were supposed to get an event coming up. Bea (Johnson) right?

Megan Gill: Yeah, we had a huge Zero Waste event with 400 People who were supposed to show up and we unfortunately had to cancel. And I do think that will be rescheduled, which which is great.

Maris Masellis: Yeah, we had that we didn’t we didn’t end up doing like that. And Michael and I, and Jess were developing a reasonable to go container program. We talked a lot about that in the previous episode, and that’s currently on hold. We’re not really sure how that’s gonna pan out because of the pandemic and reusable stuff, you know, right. So there’s just a lot of stop signs that have happened. But we’re slowly gaining traction and that’s kind of how we can help you and any, any stores, especially yours, get any kind of word out. As time goes on, you know, you want to let everybody know when to expect the doors to open

Megan Gill: Can you just stand out like on the street with one of those big signs and you know

Michael Britt: Don’t tempt her

Maris Masellis: Oh Yeah

Michael Britt: The main thing I want to know is like how are you handling refills right now? We stocked up last time I could and I filled giant jars…

Maris Masellis: I’m always asking him for toothpaste tablets man. I need to bring in my own big jar next time

Michael Britt: That’s the best way to do it you bring the big jar and so my big jar is about empty our sweet pea conditioner is about empty and our dish liquid dish soap. So is it all in the white packets now and we just bring those back later or are you refilling? That’s the questions…

Megan Gill: So some of some of the products already can come pre packaged. Like we’ve done, with the tooth tablets, they already come in 125 tablet packs. So there’s things like that and then as far as liquid refills go, we have always done our online refills in plastic pouches. They’re 98% less plastic than a bottle. They’re the same type of plastic but just a little bit softer and more flexible. And they Yeah, they can hold anywhere from like four ounces to 32 or 60 ounces. So we have different sizes under each product you pick what size you want and then later on you can bring the pouches back into the store.

Maris Masellis: Yeah and you were you were working hard on that you were like trying to figure out the best pack the best.

Megan Gill: The container supply maze is so difficult because I feel like I’ve I’ve racked my brain with materials. I mean, the ideal material would be a silicone pouch because silicone is just you know…

Maris Masellis: Pouches, pouches. That’s the word I wanted pouches.

Megan Gill: Yeah pouches. Silicone would never break down. Silicone is completely non toxic. That would be ideal, but those are extremely expensive. So hopefully we can work our way into that. Right now it’ll be these polyethylene pouches that you’re able to refill. I mean they’re BPA free food grade pouches that can be brought back and then we will can wash them and refill them and then if some are just beyond their ability to be refilled we recycled them through Terracycle

Maris Masellis: Nice. Yeah, cuz Okay, I had I thought about you today I had jars for you and I was like, wait, they’re not taking jars right now because of…

Megan Gill: I know, it’s really bad a lot of it is we just don’t have space. It’s our back area is just so packed because it just keeps adding product.

Michael Britt: And you have to create more space when you’re doing all this quarantining products for packages and boxes. Like we have a little box up front Maris has seen that, we have our, our COVID box for for all the packages that come to the house. They’re all in COVID jail for like 48 hours then we’ll put on gloves and open them up, depends on what it is. I haven’t opened Maris’ shoes yet that she had shipped to my house

Maris Masellis: Wait, you got them?

Michael Britt: No I didn’t get them, I was messing with you. Maris sends things here so that they don’t get stolen from her apartment building

Megan Gill: That’s a real thing? Yeah. It’s probably a bigger problem right now because people are bored.

Michael Britt: that’s true, and broke and scared.

Michael Britt: So one of the other things we talked about that night when we went to the robot tiki bar was that you were studying. I like saying that robot Tiki bar. You were studying chemistry to make your own beauty products

Megan Gill: I wish it was like full on chemistry and I would feel so smart. But yeah, I’m studying. I put it on hold recently, but I have been studying cosmetic formulation. So in order to kind of understand What it really looks like to create your own line of products, especially personal care products, I wanted to understand all the ins and outs of how that works from the beginning of a product’s life, you know, till you hand it off to a customer. To learn about good manufacturing practices, but also and most importantly, how to reduce waste throughout that process because I think this number is right. If it’s not right, it’s close. I think 60% of a product’s waste is in manufacturing. So if we can begin to create all of our own products, then we control all of the ingredient waste as well. And yeah, we can start either having a local lab, make our products and refill them in the lab and you know, pay to have the materials recycled but there’s a lot of different options but yeah, that’s kind of the direction that we’re headed in.

Michael Britt: I don’t think that most people know what a what a Materials Research down the rabbit hole Zero Waste nerd you are, in a good way

Megan Gill: I wish I knew more but I defnitley have a way deeper understanding and I can look at any material at this point and tell you what it’s made of. Where I think a lot of people look at something and they’re like, wait, this is silver. Is it plastic? Or is it aluminum? Like if it’s silver it’s aluminum, and if it’s a clear lining on top of it, it’s plastic and aluminum, you know? Yeah, so there’s a lot of confusion about materials. It’s so bizarre like today even a company emailed me asking if I would sell their hand sanitizer. They said the container was compostable. And I mean, that’s not possible. You can’t put 70% alcohol, in a container that’s compostable and keep it in there for longer than like, four days, it would start to break down.

Maris Masellis: Your like, you can’t fool me

Michael Britt: I feel a video segment coming on where it’s stump Megan and we blindfold you and hand you packaging (to identify)

Megan Gill: Oh, I would thrive and live on that!

Maris Masellis: That’s a good idea. That’s a cool show idea that would be amazing

Megan Gill: I feel like I would get superpowers from doing that.

Maris Masellis: You’re taking it into your own hands. So you can kind of minimize that right? So it’s like not as many ingredients

Megan Gill: Not as many ingredients not as I mean, a lot of ingredients are not sustainable too. You might see something that looks natural, but it doesn’t mean it’s sustainable. Vanilla is not sustainable.

Maris Masellis: Yeah. Wait, why not

Megan Gill: It’s got something to do with the way that it grows. And that it’s really hard to get enough of it to meet the demands. A lot of ingredients out there are hard to grow and so they’re harder on the land. There are poor farming practices

Maris Masellis: that is so crazy

Megan Gill: Yeah, yeah, everything you need to use comes from the ground. Mm hmm. Your shampoo comes from the ground. So it’s, you know, it should be done in a sustainable way just as much as your food should be grown in a stainable way

Michael Britt: And that term sustainable. It’s like, you almost need to be an economist and a mathematician and a scientist to figure it out. You and I had a converstion about the whole thing with the palm kernel oil. The fact that if you substitute something for it, that’s not as as dense nutritionally or as fat content as palm oil, then you’d have to cover the earth in that plant to make up for it. Yeah. So you think, Oh, I’m gonna switch to this, but then that may not be the answer either. I think stopping mass consumption. We all just don’t have 20 shampoos and everything like that

Megan Gill: Waste, not just with food, but also with the other things that they use. I mean, that’s the whole premise behind zero waste is that you know, there’s not enough of the earth to meet our unsatisfaction

Michael Britt: Dig holes to fill holes in our lives

Megan Gill: Yeah, exactly

Maris Masellis: There’s a lot of loose ends going on right now, man. And that’s, I think that’s why we wanted to get you back on here to find out when we had talked before it was really kind of like, Alright, everything’s different now. Even though we all have the same ideas. We have the same goals. Yeah, but how are we going to approach this now, since you know, so many people are scared of sharing of germs and

Michael Britt: Even from reusable grocery bags

Maris Masellis: You can’t bring those in anymore!

Michael Britt: Trader Joes stoped people from using them, I own the Trader Joe’s bags. I’m glad Turnip Truck lets us still use them, but I understand it. I think at this point in time everyone’s freaked out about their safety. And that’s top priority. I get it. I even thanked the cashier at Turnip Truck for letting me use the reusable bag. I just can’t throw the paper bags away. I use them for compost but the city compost was closed down at the convenience center. Yeah, a long time. And I was like, I can’t throw this stuff away and I make too much compost. I was filling my neighbor’s compost to the brim. And there was about a week where I thought, okay, I just have to throw this away because I don’t have anything to do with it.

Michael Britt: They’re only open once a week right now and I was like, Okay, I need to get started with Compost Nashville. But today I’m gonna do this. I was physically ill from having to throw my coffee grounds in the trash.

Megan Gill: Yeah, Compost Nashville and paying for services is so great, but it’s not realistic for a lot of people. So we need to do a class, teaching how to people, teaching people how to compose at home.

Maris Masellis: There’s definitely resources out there like Tennessee Environmental Council and Turnip Green Creative Reuse who both have composting info or classes

Michael Britt: yeah like Maris who lives in an apartment, I’m not going to get out there my overalls with a pitchfork and fight the dogs over the compost. So I put it in the freezer so it’s not smelly and I’ll take it to a city bin or I’ll pay for service to come get it but there needs to be lots of options for all of us

Maris Masellis: Composting is the most complex of all the things I think when I started to make my sustainable journey, I thought recycling Oh, that’s easy. And you know, I had curbside single stream pickup so I could throw it all in. Yeah, if you don’t know, throw it in whatever. Like it’ll get it’ll get to the recycling center. And that was my mentality and I know a lot of people like that. Whereas now I separate everything. I know what can and can’t go. Composting is like the scary thing for everybody. They’re like composting. No, that’s crazy.

Megan Gill: there’s science involved.

Maris Masellis: It came from the earth and goes back into the earth, you know, paper products and just like the multi layers of ingredients you were talking about, like, oh, the plastic coated cardboard paper thing, like, do we know? Oh, the PLA. You know, we talked about that in the episode too about the different greenwashing things and everybody being confused about the new compostable products that are looking like plastic. What do we do with those? Yep. Oh, man. So yeah, I’ve gotten some requests recently for some videos for just how do you recycle in Nashville, specifically, and can you dumb it down? Can you dumb it down.

Megan Gill: You know what dumb it down for plastic is literally? If it doesn’t look like a bottle or a tub it’s not recyclable

Michael Britt: That’s it. And that’s depressing because Maris and I had this conversation we were like, damn I can’t put in my peanut butter jar and even if I clean it out the little tabs, all the little plastic tips and tricks that we’ve been doing for years, like they don’t want them, it’s depressing

Megan Gill: No your peanut butter jar, they’ll take that, any containers

Michael Britt: No, she (Sharon Smith from Metro) said they don’t want it. She said (at our recycling meeting), even if it’s clean, they don’t want it. No peanut butter jars [update: the new, new rules allow peanut butter jars if they are 95% clean]

Maris Masellis: The only reason for that one is it’s difficult for the residue to get off of it. That’s why I, well people don’t go the extra route, er the extra mile like we do

Michael Britt: All of that changed the way we all do things. So that’s why we’re talking about compost compost is 40% of the trash that goes into landfill. And if we composted, that gets rid of filling the landfill. My idea right now is that if recycling is so broken, everyone should be composting instead

Maris Masellis: We were going hard on the compost game before the tornado hit. We were going hard on it and we were trying to see why it wasn’t working and it was just the education and people not knowing how to teach other people. And it just the word of mouth wasn’t working. So what’s the next best thing? Reusable? Oh, pandemic, okay, no reusable. So what’s the next best thing? You know, and it seems far fetched, but it’s really starts with the companies. It starts with the giant businesses that own everything that are making all the stuff, they got to change their ways, and that’s why you’re so inspiring (Megan)

Megan Gill: They have to educate themselves. They have to spend the time to figure out how your business is teaching people. Because as soon as you tell somebody that something is composable, and it’s not, they believe you. Mm hmm.

Michael Britt: Oh, yeah. A good example of that is when I was doing some research on chip and snack bags and to find out what the state of the art is right now. I didn’t realize that, I think it was 2008/2009 Sunchips made a compostable bag, but people complained It was too crinkley loud and they pulled it and now to this day I remember getting in an argument with, with what’s the fried chicken vegan place? The Southern V, because they had the Sunchip bags and they didn’t have any trash because they said everything was compostable. I’m like it’s not compostable

Maris Masellis: You should’ve have heard him the day that he went

Michael Britt: They think that a Sun Chips bag is still compostable. There isn’t a single bag that is compostable. That’s what I was researching, not a single chip or snack bag that’s compostable or recyclable.

Megan Gill: Well, Teracycle

Maris Masellis: Oh, yeah. But how many people are gonna pay for terracycle?

Megan Gill: No there are some chip brands that terracycle will send you an envelope or a or a label and you can just stuff them in a little box and then you literally just put it on your porch to mail it out. That’s what we do.

Michael Britt: Have you gotten the envelope? No, we’re on the waiting list for a couple and I’ve never gotten any of them

Megan Gill: Have you tried Terracycle? Oh, I mean sorry. Tried um that’s not the brand of the chips that is the company. They should send you an email with a label.

Michael Britt: Yeah, I’ll try it again and Cheryl my wife was doing one for beauty products we thought we’ll do one here at home and not just go dump them on Megan

Megan Gill: Dump them on me. I’m paying for it I’m happy to

Maris Masellis: It’s free?

Megan Gill: Yeah they’ll send you a label now. For chip bags, so you can just put it on any box. So you just go on terracycle.com and look up chip bags to apply

Maris Masellis: Oh, you apply. Okay.

Megan Gill: Yeah, you apply for like, he’s referring to the late July brand of chips. If I you have the money to spend $4 on a bag of chips

Michael Britt: It’s if you have the money, if you have the time to go do it and the interest and it’s about as broken as styrofoam recycling is in Nashville. It’s like such a small percentage that can really go through there

Maris Masellis: Man very, very small

Michael Britt: I mean, I’m not knocking what they do because what they do is awesome.

Maris Masellis: So just don’t eat chips, better for you waist, better for your skin

Michael Britt: That’s my idea of a diet if you if you didn’t eat anything that’s packaged in a long term plastic package, that be a pretty good diet

Maris Masellis: That’s the bigger jump in your lifestyle is like really avoiding things and we we try to avoid things from the big companies and shop locally and shop at The Good Fill reuse your jars and bags and things but when you avoid when we avoid the products and the businesses they don’t necessarily know that we’re avoiding them and why Yeah, so true.

Megan Gill: That’s why it’s really important to talk about it

Michael Britt: They know because I emailed them. Why isn’t your frozen pee bag, Woodstock, recyclable or made from recycled plastic? I email every single bag I can

Megan Gill: Yeah, I think it honestly makes a difference.

Megan Gill: We don’t have to talk about it. But, but to get to the core of the problem, I mean, I’m gonna jump into it. It’s legislation, man, it’s legislation and government, I think there has to be both and that this government’s really disappointing me, like, majorly so how are you? Like, that’s my biggest fear man every time I I haven’t been thinking about sustainability to be honest with you and I think a lot of people put it on the back burner. I I was concerned with the tornado and the pandemic and and that was it. And I don’t even have kids. I don’t have kids. I’m not married. I don’t have a home you know that i don’t i haven’t bought a house. So it’s it’s been high on everyone’s minds, but all these other things, climate change, recycling and the composting and the banning and it’s just gone to the backburner and we got to bring it back out now you know like it’s it’s time to start talking about it again and and see where people are at. So I mean my biggest thing is where do the changes get made? And I feel like it’s it’s Congress if we don’t have people in Congress that are going to support us so that’s where I’m going that’s that’s where my brain is going right now as we got to get through to the root of the problem the core of the problem and I think you’re so smart Megan Gill you’re just like you’re just killing it out there and your store and guys for real though if you haven’t been to The Good Fill refill store in East Nashville on Fatherland Street. Everything’s pretty much cool now, right? We can get in there like we can drive through like there’s no debris and like, everything is accessible, the whole areas, accessible, get yourself over. In the next two weeks, nevermind, sorry, we’re gonna be updating you. Make sure you’re staying tuned to Megan’s She’s on socials, Instagram, Facebook, whatever. Make sure that you see that she’s accepting you know, people in the store again, but if you haven’t been over there, it’s pretty unique, pretty amazing thing. And I think there’s a few others that are popping up. We talked about this. There’s a few others popping up.

Megan Gill: We don’t have to talk about it.

Maris Masellis: But here’s the thing. She started this and this is the future refilling. Yeah, exactly. refill package. No package. Can somebody help me here package free store package,

Megan Gill: Package free store – there are a lot of names for us

Maris Masellis: Yeah, yeah yeah, that, Jeeza Louiza. I did my best there.

Michael Britt: But, The Good Fill is the name. We’re talking about how all these big companies need to get with it. No, I think they need to go under, get out of the way and let The Good Fill take over… I want you to be the new Procter and Gamble

Maris Masellis: Megan if you could tell them something I’m really interested to know like what would be your takeaway for them? Like, if you could have them hear you? And you could just say like something to them what would you say to the big corporations

Megan Gill: You have some money to pay people to figure this out? I do not. And I’m figuring it out. That’s what I have to say. If you actually care. Don’t just tell people to recycle their bottles. Don’t just find a new sustainable container. Figure out a way and companies switching over to refillable pouch like the pouches that I have not refillable, but you refill your bottle with that pouch, and those pouches go flat and the landfill if they’re thrown away. They’re 98% less plastic, like I said that is still less plastic, like so those companies that are actually doing those refills that is that is still better than continuing to sell these bottles

Maris Masellis: Right on

Megan Gill: However, I mean, there’s a whole another piece to personal care products and that is you know, product does eventually go rancid. So, there’s a lot to figure out but it’s it’s definitely possible to do so. Yeah. And I think that companies are starting to pop up that terracycle has started a whole loop program. I think that’s gonna be the next big thing. Loop, which we don’t want to talk about it too much, okay, because they will sell shampoos and things and essentially the idea is and we may go in this direction as well, but the idea is you send someone like a stainless steel bottle or even a plastic bottle that can is sturdy plastic or sturdy metal, and those bottles can be mailed back and then re filled, washed and refilled so that your your bottle is already clean is always clean. Yeah,

Michael Britt: I think that’s important. It’s so crazy to me that everybody like the beer bottles are all you know market tested for the ones that make you want to drink their beer and the shampoo isn’t the sexiest bottle. Well keep the bottles if they affect us so much then let’s refill and reuse them. Why are we throwing away they’re designed to be these luxury items…

Maris Masellis: We have this new lens that we look through guys don’t we? Like I feel like I really don’t want anything lavish anymore. I’m like, I just want the simple stuff man. Like just give it to me how it should be like, Oh, this is funny. I went in ordered I didn’t well, I yeah, I guess I did. I ordered a an essential oil from a store that I haven’t reordered from in like over a year or something. It was a gift. And I finally went and got it. And I went to go pick it up and the guy came out and I was like, I don’t want the bag. I was like, keep the bag and he was like, No, you keep it and I’m like, but I want to save the world. And he goes, No, you keep it. I’m like, No, it’s okay. You take it and he goes, I just throw it away anyway. And I’m like, ughh, bro, I’m not gotta call out your store right now, but I was really upset by that or maybe I am Hunnee B’z. Yeah, this is trash talk I forgot actually maybe you might, you know, think a little bit more about your bag usage but they’re not recyclable bags and just like that mentality man I was like really? Like even if I gave it back to you, you would just throw it away like that’s what you do. God.

Megan Gill: And so much is marketing because yeah, that is what’s interesting when learning about hair products and facial products and body products and learning the how everything’s made, and why some products have so many ingredients. And when actually when you get to that point, when you see long, long list of ingredients and you’re looking at the last like 10 ingredients of a label that has 20 ingredients. those ingredients are in there like 1%. You’re looking at that and you’re thinking and it has this and it has this and it’s like…

Maris Masellis: Wow! I didn’t know that

Megan Gill: Oh yeah, shampoo 80% water

Maris Masellis: Watch out for that fragrance

Michael Britt: Well, now so let me ask both of you if you think that so everybody’s locked in their houses, teleconferencing, kind of like we are here. People, you know, it’s like they’re not buying the latest shirt and the latest fast fashion, I think, you know, you see people like makeup a little bit, but not quite as much do you think people are realizing I don’t need this in my life. I’m happy like I am right now. I think there’s a lot of that happening right now.

Megan Gill: I hope so. That or they’re taking a break and they’re just gonna go full force back into it.

Maris Masellis: Yeah, actually, like I’ve seen people posting they’re like, I just wanted to wear makeup. So they put makeup on and a dress. I’m like, Oh, that’s cool self care, you know, like you’d like pretend you’re going out but I’m like, Man, I’m relishing not having to wear any makeup or like, not having to wear real clothes and like, Man, this might stick for a while

Megan Gill: Like not washing my hair for seven days

Maris Masellis: They’re like I just put makeup on because. I’m like, man, I’m probably never gonna use makeup again. Yeah Hey To each their own but lets…

Michael Britt: Well I think we just, the goal is to keep pushing all of our sustainability ideas and solutions to help form a new normal of what we want to change, and it is politics

Maris Masellis: Be the change you wish to see in the world

Megan Gill: and it doesn’t have to be expensive

Michael Britt: it doesn’t and and we’re not we don’t have to do it individually I mean there’s individual actions but I think your comment Maris about the politics is right I have this thing in my head right now and haven’t hasn’t formulated right but it’s like I want to be a single issue voter Yeah, single issue voter nothing else matters but the environment because everything else comes, talk about trickle down, it all trickles down from that. It’s like diseases are wiping us out. You know,

Maris Masellis: I just had an epiphany, you know what’s crazy, we need to talk about politics more like more people need to talk about it because we don’t know jack shit about it. Like half of 98% of Americans probably don’t know, you know, like I just made that I’m number up, but I’m one of them.

Michael Britt: Yeah, 70% of all made up numbers…

Maris Masellis: Just lettin you guys know that was out of my brain. But it’s funny how, don’t you hear that all the time? Oh, I don’t want to talk politics. I don’t want to talk politics. Let’s not do that. Actually, we need to…

Megan Gill: Everything is politics

Michael Britt: I think we are going to Maris. Yeah. I think we’re going to and I think I want to know, because I have an inkling and I’ve heard some of the stuff about what our state legislature has been doing during the pandemic to help us all. Yeah, and we need to encourage, in August, we’ve got a election coming up and I think for trash talk, we’re going to talk about this and start start educating people because even the local, how clear is it now. So if you’re if you have a bad mayor, it literally could kill you. The mayor’s across the country are saving people’s lives. They’re the ones who are making the big decisions that are life and death. And most people didn’t even show up to vote for the mayor last time. Look at the Nashville turnout was like so low it was ridiculous. So every vote every single school board, Mayor, you know, everything matters. So I think we’ll start covering that more as well. We’re gonna be podcasting more often

Maris Masellis: I’m definitely in need of that I need to know but Okay, so Michael we got we got Megan Gill here we we’ve almost 45 minutes so crazy. I mean you know it’ll probably get chopped down a little bit but what are your Michael highlights what are your takeaways? Because we remember I’m telling you you got to do this I like this we’re doing a Michael takeaway highlight awesome

Michael Britt: Takeaway from talking to Megan? Well it’s always a highlight talking to Megan, she’s a rock star!

Maris Masellis: Oh, he did it!

Michael Britt: She’s a rock star. But I think you know, I’m just glad that you’re doing well. I’m sure you when you told people about The Good Fill they were like, you’re crazy that’s never gonna work in Tennessee. You should be in California or you should be in Berkeley or Brooklyn or somewhere

Megan Gill: That’s so true

Michael Britt: I’m sure that I’m sure that’s the attitude that you heard. But yet here we are in a shut down, with businesses failing left and right, everybody’s struggling, and you’re looking to expand. So my takeaway is you are awesome and this is an awesome idea.

Megan Gill: I honestly, I’m just really proud of Nashville. Because, you know, I’ve been running an ad just for the people who don’t realize that we’re here because a lot of people really care. But they don’t know that there are options. Especially more sustainable options than going to Target. And so to be able to be able to see people’s response, and their gratefulness is really awesome. So yeah, it’s kind of like what you were saying. It’s like, those of us who who feel like a calling to do we, you have to keep doing it and going for it because there are people out there who want to hear and want to see and want to do and they need someone to take the first step.

Maris Masellis: Yeah, absolutely. And, Megan, how do we how do we support The Good Fill at this point? Is there anything you want to say to your people?

Megan Gill: Tell me all the things you want us to carry. I’m always looking for new suggestions. And I’m always looking for suggestions on the products we currently carry. I mean, I’m such a perfectionist, so I’m always trying to improve everything

Maris Masellis: Good to know.

Megan Gill: I’ve likely already thought of it. But it’s really great to get feedback from people. Yeah, so I don’t know. Those are the two things I can think of.

Maris Masellis: Awesome. This was amazing. And we thank you so much for being on the show. Zero Waste trash talk, new podcasts. I”m Maris Masellis and…

Michael Britt: I’m Michael Britt

Maris Masellis: So thanks for listening and we will not see you soon. We will hear you soon, you’ll hear us soon. Bye

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